{"id":27766,"date":"2025-07-20T08:51:25","date_gmt":"2025-07-20T08:51:25","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/folksongandmusichall.com\/?page_id=27766"},"modified":"2025-07-20T09:40:19","modified_gmt":"2025-07-20T09:40:19","slug":"twelve-stone-two","status":"publish","type":"page","link":"https:\/\/folksongandmusichall.com\/index.php\/twelve-stone-two\/","title":{"rendered":"Twelve stone two"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<figure class=\"wp-block-table\"><table><tbody><tr><td><strong>AKA<\/strong><\/td><td>A fine big woman<br><\/td><\/tr><tr><td>First Published<\/td><td>c1882<\/td><\/tr><\/tbody><\/table><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-table\"><table><tbody><tr><td>Writer\/composer<\/td><td>JF Mitchell<\/td><td><strong>Roud<\/strong><\/td><td>RN18290<\/td><\/tr><\/tbody><\/table><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><\/p>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-group\"><div class=\"wp-block-group__inner-container is-layout-flow wp-block-group-is-layout-flow\">\n<figure class=\"wp-block-table\"><table><tbody><tr><td><strong>Music Hall Performers<\/strong><\/td><td>Walter Munroe<\/td><\/tr><tr><td><strong>Folk performances<\/strong><\/td><td><strong>Collected from the singing of:<\/strong><br>Quinn, Frank ;  USA \/ Ireland ; 1926 <br>unknown singer ; Ireland : Co. Cork ; 1960<br>Hartland, Ray ; England : Gloucestershire ; 1978 <br>Judge, Patsy \/ Judge, Bride ; Canada : Newfoundland ; 1978 <br>Armstrong, James ; Ireland : Co. Wexford : 1908<\/td><\/tr><\/tbody><\/table><\/figure>\n<\/div><\/div>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-group\"><div class=\"wp-block-group__inner-container is-layout-flow wp-block-group-is-layout-flow\">\n<div class=\"wp-block-group\"><div class=\"wp-block-group__inner-container is-layout-flow wp-block-group-is-layout-flow\">\n<pre class=\"wp-block-preformatted\"><strong>Wehman's Universal Songster No 9<\/strong> (available from <a href=\"https:\/\/www.traditionalmusic.co.uk\/songster\/09-twelve-stone-two.htm\">traditionalmusic.co.uk<\/a>)<br><br><strong>TWELVE STONE TWO. <\/strong><br><br>I feel so dreadful nervous<br>That I'm frightened of my life,<br>For by this time to-morrow,<br>I'll be fastened to a wife;<br>An agricultural Irish girl<br>That's twice the size of me;<br>Upon my word I'm doubtful<br>What the consequence will be.<br><br><em>She's a fine big woman.<br>And she knows that same,<br>And early in the morning<br>She'll possess my name;<br>But I feel so dreadful nervous,<br>I don't know what to do.<br>For to-morrow I must buckle<br>On the twelve stone two.<\/em><br><br>I would like to break the contract off,<br>But that would never do;<br>My life would not be worth two straws,<br>Between myself and you;<br>I don't think she'd put me in<br>A breach of promise case,<br>But with her big fist she'd make<br>The breaches on my face.<br><br>She made me drunk at Sullivan's,<br>Then sat upon my knee;<br>Just imagine twelve stone two<br>On a little chap like me;<br>Twas she done all the courting,<br>I had not one word to say,<br>So like a helpless little lamb,<br>I gave myself away.<br><\/pre>\n<\/div><\/div>\n<\/div><\/div>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-media-text is-stacked-on-mobile\"><figure class=\"wp-block-media-text__media\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"450\" height=\"1023\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/folksongandmusichall.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/fine-big-woman.jpg?resize=450%2C1023\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-28021 size-full\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/folksongandmusichall.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/fine-big-woman.jpg?w=450&amp;ssl=1 450w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/folksongandmusichall.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/fine-big-woman.jpg?resize=132%2C300&amp;ssl=1 132w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 450px) 85vw, 450px\" \/><\/figure><div class=\"wp-block-media-text__content\">\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">A song with its origins in the British Music Hall, which according to British newspapers was originally sung by <a href=\"https:\/\/folksongandmusichall.com\/index.php\/agricultural-irish-girl-the\/\">Walter Munroe,<\/a> with words and music by \u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/folksongandmusichall.com\/index.php\/mitchell-jf\/\">JF Mitchell<\/a>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Mr. Walter Munroe &#8230; commenced with a song, entitled, <em>\u201cDon\u2019t Blame the Mother for the Faults of Her Children&#8221;<\/em> which was capitally rendered, and gained applause on all sides. \u2018<em>\u2018 Twelve Stone Two\u2019\u2019 <\/em>is the title of his second ditty, the success of which was dwarfed by the excellence of his dancing which followed, and which was watched with evident enjoyment.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Cambridge Music Hall (London),  <strong><em><a href=\"https:\/\/www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk\/viewer\/BL\/0001516\/18820909\/028\/0009?browse=False\">London and Provincial Entr&#8217;acte&nbsp;&#8211; 09 Sep 1882<\/a><\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The song also appeared  under the title <em>&#8220;A Fine Big Woman&#8221;<\/em>, both in street literature like this song-sheet, and in the newspapers (see below). The song must have been reasonably successful, as JF Mitchell wrote the very similar song, <em><a href=\"https:\/\/folksongandmusichall.com\/index.php\/agricultural-irish-girl-the\/\">The Agricultural Irish Girl<\/a> <\/em>which Munroe started singing in 1884.<\/p>\n<\/div><\/div>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"557\" height=\"139\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/folksongandmusichall.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/image-2.png?resize=557%2C139\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-28007\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/folksongandmusichall.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/image-2.png?w=557&amp;ssl=1 557w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/folksongandmusichall.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/image-2.png?resize=300%2C75&amp;ssl=1 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 557px) 85vw, 557px\" \/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk\/viewer\/BL\/0000053\/18820520\/046\/0020?browse=False\">The Era&nbsp;&#8211;&nbsp;Saturday 20 May 1882<\/a><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">In 1926 Frank Quinn (an Irish American police officer?) recorded <em>Twelve Stone Tw0<\/em> (Columbia 33080-F):<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-block-embed-youtube wp-embed-aspect-4-3 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"Twelve Stone Two\" width=\"840\" height=\"630\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/C7uhzJdADvQ?feature=oembed\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share\" referrerpolicy=\"strict-origin-when-cross-origin\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe>\n<\/div><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Sources:<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>Entries in the Roud Indexes at the Vaughn Williams Memorial Library: <a href=\"https:\/\/archives.vwml.org\/search\/all:single[folksong-broadside-books]\/0_50\/all\/score_desc\/extended-roudNo_tr%3A18290\">https:\/\/archives.vwml.org\/search\/all:single[folksong-broadside-books]\/0_50\/all\/score_desc\/extended-roudNo_tr%3A18290<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/balladindex.org\/Ballads\/OCon079.html\">Ballad Index<\/a><\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/mudcat.org\/thread.cfm?threadid=16366\">Mudcat Thread<\/a><\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Song-sheet: <a href=\"https:\/\/digital.nls.uk\/broadsides\/view\/?id=14976&amp;transcript=1\">The word on the street<\/a><\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Kilgarrif <em>Sing Us<\/em><\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Lyrics: <strong>Wehman&#8217;s Universal Songster No 9<\/strong> (available from <a href=\"https:\/\/www.traditionalmusic.co.uk\/songster\/09-twelve-stone-two.htm\">traditionalmusic.co.uk<\/a>)<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Sheet Music : Not Found<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-table\"><table><tbody><tr><td><\/td><td><\/td><\/tr><\/tbody><\/table><\/figure>\n<div class=\"pdfprnt-buttons pdfprnt-buttons-page pdfprnt-bottom-right\"><a href=\"https:\/\/folksongandmusichall.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/pages\/27766?print=print\" class=\"pdfprnt-button pdfprnt-button-print\" target=\"_blank\" ><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/folksongandmusichall.com\/wp-content\/plugins\/pdf-print\/images\/print.png?w=840\" alt=\"image_print\" title=\"Print Content\" \/><\/a><\/div>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>AKA A fine big woman First Published Writer\/composer Roud RN Music Hall Performers Folk performances Collected from the singing of:Quinn, Frank ; USA \/ Ireland ; 1926 unknown singer ; Ireland : Co. 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