{"id":11954,"date":"2021-08-08T05:32:21","date_gmt":"2021-08-08T05:32:21","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/folksongandmusichall.com\/?page_id=11954"},"modified":"2021-08-20T08:08:50","modified_gmt":"2021-08-20T08:08:50","slug":"shed-a-black-and-rolling-eye-railway-version","status":"publish","type":"page","link":"http:\/\/folksongandmusichall.com\/index.php\/shed-a-black-and-rolling-eye-railway-version\/","title":{"rendered":"She&#8217;d a black and rolling eye (railway version)"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<figure class=\"wp-block-table\"><table><tbody><tr><td><strong>AKA<\/strong><\/td><td>Left holding the baby<\/td><\/tr><tr><td>First Published<\/td><td>1863<\/td><\/tr><\/tbody><\/table><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-table\"><table><tbody><tr><td>Writer\/composer<\/td><td>George Ware<\/td><td><strong>Roud<\/strong><\/td><td>RN3561<\/td><\/tr><\/tbody><\/table><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><\/p>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-group\"><div class=\"wp-block-group__inner-container is-layout-flow wp-block-group-is-layout-flow\">\n<figure class=\"wp-block-table\"><table><tbody><tr><td><strong>Music Hall Performers<\/strong><\/td><td>EW Mackney<\/td><\/tr><tr><td><strong>Folk performances<\/strong><\/td><td><strong>Collected from the singing of:<\/strong><br>Botting, Bill (Corn); England : Sussex : c1968 <\/td><\/tr><\/tbody><\/table><\/figure>\n<\/div><\/div>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-group\"><div class=\"wp-block-group__inner-container is-layout-flow wp-block-group-is-layout-flow\">\n<div class=\"wp-block-group\"><div class=\"wp-block-group__inner-container is-layout-flow wp-block-group-is-layout-flow\">\n<pre class=\"wp-block-preformatted\">From Mackney's Organ Grinder Songster (1865)\n\n<strong>She'd a Black And a Rolling Eye<\/strong>.\n\nMusic and words published and sold by L'Enfant and Hodgkins, 18 Rathbone Place, Oxford Street, London\n\n\nKind friends, just listen for a while, a few words to you I'll say,\nOf what happened to me when travelling by rail t'other day;\nI got into a carriage with a lady dress'd so slap,\nShe was nursing of an infant that was crying out for pap.\n\n<em>Spoken - <\/em>Yes, she was a charming creature, for she had such \u2013\n\n<em>A black and rolling eye, <\/em>\nS<em>he wore a new poke bonnet,\nA nice little young thing, <\/em>\nA<em>nd just the one to woo.<\/em>\n\nI said, \"What a handsome baby,\" and the lady only smil'd;\nI said, 'twould make a man feel proud to be the father of such a child.\nI said, are you it's ma-ma?\nShe said, can't you the likeness see?\nAnd as she spoke she gave a look and roll'd her eye at me.\n\n<em>Spoken - <\/em> Yes, I never shall forget that look; you can imagine a loving look from such an angel with \u2013\n\nWhen we got near a station the lady said to me,\nWould you have any objection to take this baby on your knee\nI have to get out at this station just to speak a word to a friend,\nI said I would, with pleasure, and down the stairs she did descend.\n\n<em>Spoken - <\/em>And as she did, she gave me another loving look with \u2013\n\nIn less than half a minute, the train was off again,\nI looked and called for the lady, but call I did in vain,\nWe got to another station, when to the porter I did shout,\nI say, be quick and open the door, and let me at the baby out.\n\n<em>Spoken - <\/em> And the first thing I did was to look about the carriages, but no mother for the baby could I find, so the guard said, you had better go to the stationmaster and inform him of the circumstance; I did, and the stationmaster said, just give me the description of the lady,so I told him \u2013\n\nA mob soon came round me to hear what I had to say,\nSome said it was a cruel thing for the mother to run away,\nSome said it was only done for a lark, others 'twas a mistake,\nAnd another one suggested I should buy the child some cake.\n\n<em>Spoken - <\/em>Now, in my opinion, I had cake enough already, and hardbake as well, when one of the crowd said, what sort of lady was she? so I told him \u2013\n\nSo now I've told you all my case I hope you'll bear in mind\nThe description of this lady and help me try to find\nThe mother of the infant, and gents a warning take by me,\nAnd never let mothers out of sight when <em>their<\/em> baby is on your knee.\n\n[Spoken] - Yes, gentlemen, don't be too obliging in railway trains. Altho' it's very nice to be a guardian for a short time, especially when a pretty girl solicits your protection, but be careful you're made a Foundling as I was by \u2013\n<\/pre>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The idea that a woman with <em>a black and rolling eye <\/em>might be particularly attractive goes back at least to the early 18th century. It features in an anonymous fragment of verse from 1750 (the spelling has been modernised):<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-style-default is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p>Pretty Miss, <br>Come and kiss <br>With your black and rolling eye. <br>O that lip <br>Let me sip<br>Or with anguish I shall die<\/p><cite>The Merry Companion (1750)<\/cite><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The phrase appears in several folksongs, including the song most often known as <a href=\"https:\/\/www.vwml.org\/search?q=rn277%20&amp;is=1\"><em>Seventeen Come Sunday<\/em> <\/a>(RN277)  &#8211;  Steve Gardham  suggests that the earliest version of that song we can find dates to 1795 (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.vwml.org\/search?q=rn277%20gardham&amp;is=1\">Entries in the Roud Indexes at the Vaughn Williams Memorial Library: https:\/\/archives.vwml.org\/search\/all:single[folksong-broadside-books]\/0_50\/all\/score_desc\/extended-roudNo_tr%3A3561<\/a>). Several songs have at times been referred to as <em>She had a black and rolling eye<\/em>, or something very similar:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\"><li> A Music Hall song from the 1860s  telling  story of a meeting on a train (discussed on this page) <\/li><li>A well-known song in the folk music tradition more often called <em>The Fireship<\/em> in which a sailor meets a young woman. I have written some notes on the latter here<a href=\"http:\/\/folksongandmusichall.com\/index.php\/shed-a-black-and-rolling-eye-sailor-version\/\">: <em>She had a black and rolling eye (sailor version)<\/em>. <\/a><\/li><li>A Music Hall song  published in 1895, <em><a href=\"https:\/\/www.worldcat.org\/title\/shed-a-dark-and-rolling-eye\/oclc\/46701992&amp;referer=brief_results\">She&#8217;d a dark and rolling eye<\/a><\/em> written by Will Godwin and Steve Leggett, performed by JH Hurst (First line: The other day in Regent Street)<\/li><\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The widespread use of the phrase means that when historical sources describe someone singing a song under this title, it&#8217;s often not clear which song they are singing!<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">However, there is ample evidence that <a href=\"http:\/\/folksongandmusichall.com\/index.php\/george-ware\/\">George Ware<\/a>, a prolific songwriter in the early stages of his career, wrote a song called  <em>She had a black and rolling eye<\/em> and that it was performed in the Halls by <a href=\"http:\/\/folksongandmusichall.com\/index.php\/my-pretty-jane\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">EW Mackney<\/a>. In the early 1860s Ware was particularly exercised about people stealing his songs, and he put this notice in<em> The Era <\/em>newspaper:<\/p>\n<\/div><\/div>\n<\/div><\/div>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"472\" height=\"231\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/folksongandmusichall.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/08\/image-4.png?resize=472%2C231\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-11961\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/folksongandmusichall.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/08\/image-4.png?w=472 472w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/folksongandmusichall.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/08\/image-4.png?resize=300%2C147 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 472px) 85vw, 472px\" \/><figcaption>Jan. 18, 1863; The Era&nbsp;<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The text usefully describes the content of the song, and distinguishes it from the song about the unfortunate sailor. Ware&#8217;s song, which I suggest is completely different, tells the story of a woman who leaves her baby on a train. The words given here are taken from a collection of songs sung by Mackney, <em><a href=\"https:\/\/books.google.co.uk\/books?id=RlqXpadlBToC&amp;pg=PP15&amp;dq=%22and+rolling+eye%22&amp;hl=en&amp;newbks=1&amp;newbks_redir=0&amp;sa=X&amp;ved=2ahUKEwiXj-C3-qPyAhUYHcAKHQXgACgQ6AEwAnoECAgQAg\">Mackney&#8217;s Organ Grinder&#8217;s Songster<\/a><\/em>. Whilst Ware isn&#8217;t credited in the Songster the description above is reasonable evidence that it is the same song.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Ware&#8217;s song  has passed into traditional singing, the song was collected by Mervyn Plunkett from the singing of William &#8216;Corn&#8217; Botting in Sussex. It appears in 19th century street literature in a broadside published by the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.vwml.org\/record\/RoudFS\/S393319\">Poet&#8217;s Box (Glasgow)<\/a>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">You can hear Bill Botting singing it <a href=\"https:\/\/sussextraditions.org\/record\/black-and-rolling-eye-the\/\">here on the Sussex Traditions site<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Sources:<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\"><li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.vwml.org\/search?q=rn3561&amp;is=1\">Entries in the Roud Indexes at the Vaughn Williams Memorial Library: https:\/\/archives.vwml.org\/search\/all:single[folksong-broadside-books]\/0_50\/all\/score_desc\/extended-roudNo_tr%3A3561<\/a><\/li><li>Kilgarrif <em>Sing Us<\/em><\/li><li>Lyrics: <a href=\"https:\/\/www.vwml.org\/record\/RoudFS\/S393319\">Poets Box (Glasgow) Broadside at VWML<\/a><\/li><li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.worldcat.org\/title\/shed-a-black-a-rolling-eye-comic-song-written-by-g-ware-arr-g-bicknell\/oclc\/1253820883&amp;referer=brief_resultshttps:\/\/www.worldcat.org\/title\/shed-a-black-and-a-rolling-eye-song-written-by-g-ware-arranged-by-g-bicknell\/oclc\/498209496&amp;referer=brief_results\">Worldcat ref#1 (undated)<\/a><\/li><li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.worldcat.org\/title\/shed-a-black-and-a-rolling-eye-song-written-by-g-ware-arranged-by-g-bicknell\/oclc\/498209496&amp;referer=brief_results\">Worldcat ref#2 (1863)<\/a><\/li><li><em><a href=\"https:\/\/books.google.co.uk\/books?id=RlqXpadlBToC&amp;pg=PP15&amp;dq=%22and+rolling+eye%22&amp;hl=en&amp;newbks=1&amp;newbks_redir=0&amp;sa=X&amp;ved=2ahUKEwiXj-C3-qPyAhUYHcAKHQXgACgQ6AEwAnoECAgQAg\">Mackney\u2019s Organ Grinder\u2019s Songster<\/a><\/em> (c1865)<\/li><li><em>The merry companion, or humorous miscellany. Containing comical characters, witty jests, humorous essays, smart epigrams. Excellent epitaphs, puzling [sic] rebus&#8217;s. And a collection of celebrated new songs. <\/em>Printed by A. M&#8217;Culloh, for J. Cotter (Dublin), 1752<\/li><li>Folktrax cassette<em>:<a href=\"https:\/\/folktrax-archive.org\/menus\/cassprogs\/428weald.htm\"> FTX 428 &#8211; SOUTH DOWNS &amp; THE WEALD &#8211; SONGS RECORDED IN SUSSEX AND KENT<\/a><\/em><\/li><\/ul>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-table\"><table><tbody><tr><td><\/td><td><\/td><\/tr><\/tbody><\/table><\/figure>\n<div class=\"pdfprnt-buttons pdfprnt-buttons-page pdfprnt-bottom-right\"><a href=\"http:\/\/folksongandmusichall.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/pages\/11954?print=print\" class=\"pdfprnt-button pdfprnt-button-print\" target=\"_blank\" ><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/folksongandmusichall.com\/wp-content\/plugins\/pdf-print\/images\/print.png?w=840\" alt=\"image_print\" title=\"Print Content\" \/><\/a><\/div>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>AKA Left holding the baby First Published Writer\/composer Roud RN Music Hall Performers Folk performances Collected from the singing of:Botting, Bill (Corn); England : Sussex : c1968 From Mackney&#8217;s Organ Grinder Songster (1865) She&#8217;d a Black And a Rolling Eye. Music and words published and sold by L&#8217;Enfant and Hodgkins, 18 Rathbone Place, Oxford Street, &hellip; <a href=\"http:\/\/folksongandmusichall.com\/index.php\/shed-a-black-and-rolling-eye-railway-version\/\" class=\"more-link\">Continue reading<span class=\"screen-reader-text\"> &#8220;She&#8217;d a black and rolling eye (railway version)&#8221;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"parent":0,"menu_order":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","template":"","meta":{"_acf_changed":false,"_lmt_disableupdate":"no","_lmt_disable":"no","_monsterinsights_skip_tracking":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[10,8],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-11954","page","type-page","status-publish","hentry","category-folksongs-from-halls","category-songs"],"acf":[],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v28.6 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/product\/yoast-seo-wordpress\/ -->\n<title>She&#039;d a black and rolling eye (railway version) - FOLK SONG AND MUSIC HALL<\/title>\n<meta name=\"robots\" content=\"index, follow, max-snippet:-1, max-image-preview:large, max-video-preview:-1\" \/>\n<link rel=\"canonical\" href=\"https:\/\/folksongandmusichall.com\/index.php\/shed-a-black-and-rolling-eye-railway-version\/\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:locale\" content=\"en_US\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:type\" content=\"article\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:title\" content=\"She&#039;d a black and rolling eye (railway version) - FOLK SONG AND MUSIC HALL\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:description\" content=\"AKA Left holding the baby First Published Writer\/composer Roud RN Music Hall Performers Folk performances Collected from the singing of:Botting, Bill (Corn); England : Sussex : c1968 From Mackney&#039;s Organ Grinder Songster (1865) She&#039;d a Black And a Rolling Eye. 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